heyhey Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 As extracted from my post on P4x4: Just picked up my second hand Warn winch today, got it in the shed and sat it next to my deceased Tigerz11 and a mates original Aldi winch (which lived a hard life and died winching a massive log underwater for ages). I was astonished at the size difference!!! It's heaps different! Im not sure what to trust, is the Warn over-engineered for being 9,000lb or even 12,000lb or is the Tigerz11 under-engineered for 9,000lb or even 12,000lb and is the Aldi neutral! Im not sure??? Eitherway looks like the Aldi is a good buy and the Warn I assume once freshened up will last me longer than the Tigerz11 Notes: - The Aldi and Warn's clutch lever feels like a nicer turn and feels like it engages better, even when on the ground. - I do like the actual clutch lever on the Tigerz11 better. - The hand controls for the Aldi and Warn is WAY better. - Aldi and Warn control box is not sealed, but my Tigerz11 control box stuffed up twice because it didn't seal just right and kept moisture inside the box which also killed it and it was mounted under the bonnet where it is warm and safe from dirt. As mentioned previously the Aldi died underwater and all the solenoids work on the Aldi and the Warn and that looks like it has had a decent life as they both have dirt inside the box. - Good cable attachments to drum, I had a few issues with the Tigerz as you do not screw on the rope. Not a biggy but its something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by ?????? What happened to the Tigerz winch? How did it die? Solenoid box packed it in and the drive off the motor is some flimsy little thing that broke. There was only a short warranty on the Solenoid box, the motor to drive shaft coupling was flimsy and crap and died and the very outside set of planetary gears don't run even close to smoothly around the housing and I didn't have confidence in it anymore. It happened after when I was winching up a slippery slope, it was rutted, no bog holes, no logs just a very shiny wet clay surface and it spat the dummy and I couldn't even release tension. I ended up having to get the high lift jack out and use it to pull the Patrol about half a metre forward to unhook the winch. If a high lift can pull it without breaking thats worrying?. And thats why I got a Warn instead of fixing it, seen standard 9,000lb Warns pull all day out of ridiculous situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 The warn has been ABUSED! Mud and water throughout the whole thing and it STILL WORKS! So full rebuild for it, new 6.6hp motor and I might hook up an airline to it, to pressurize it when submerging it in water or mud? The Warn is the longest, then Aldi, then Tigerz11 Tigerz11 its 160mm x 165mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) Overall review. Tigerz11 - Cheap shit would never buy one again, even after rebuilding, modifiying to take the much more engineered and stronger Aldi internals, it still warped the gearbox and has massive resistance, almost unable to spool out by hand. Aldi - The best cheapest winch I have seen. Many of the eBay jobs are the same, not sure about material quality but as they are all 'No Brand' winches, you could assume they are the same. By far the choice over the Tigerz11 12,000lb even it they are only 9,000lb. Tigerz11 are a gmock and could never ever ever pull 12,000lb without busting. Warn - Best by a quite a bit, obviously you pay the price, but proven engineering. I'ld not look elsewhere as secondhand Warns are as good if not better than any brand new chinese stuff and the same price off eBay plus maybe a $100 rebuild depending on condition of course. Tigerz11 - Marketed product for the masses, not an engineered product for the user. Would never recommend them to anyone. Spend your money elsewhere and get something better for cheaper or the same price. Edited May 16, 2012 by heyhey KMsMK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMsMK Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Thanks for the review heyhey. Very informative. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronus4x4 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 it would be nice to know (if the data exists) which model or year winches are being compared if possible. With the evolution of winch manufacturers updating their products if would make sense that the reader is comparing apples with apples. I'm sure the OP is, but I'm just asking the question. Winches are also like any consumer commodity being that performance and reliability have a direct coralation to how they are maintained and utilised. I'm sure I don't have to explain that (especially to us zd30 owners ) Good review, after buying the new Grande tigerz11 winch I'm not sure that I would want an aldi winch instead but horses for courses I guess. If SA had some decent tracks nearby that I could get to every weekend I'd buy a warn winch too Cheers Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray! Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 You've certainly pointed out one thing, which is that marketing has a big impact on how buyers often determine the quality of a product. Chinese manufacturing has definitiely commodotised so many products that few could afford maybe 10-20 years ago, without a lot of financial pain, yet the products are generally fit for purpose. Also, it certainly confirms my views about Aldi products and considering the German influence, I think the products they sell are required to meet certain quality/reliability standards. Cheers Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 it would be nice to know (if the data exists) which model or year winches are being compared if possible. With the evolution of winch manufacturers updating their products if would make sense that the reader is comparing apples with apples. I'm sure the OP is, but I'm just asking the question. Winches are also like any consumer commodity being that performance and reliability have a direct coralation to how they are maintained and utilised. I'm sure I don't have to explain that (especially to us zd30 owners ) Good review, after buying the new Grande tigerz11 winch I'm not sure that I would want an aldi winch instead but horses for courses I guess. If SA had some decent tracks nearby that I could get to every weekend I'd buy a warn winch too Cheers Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Warn from early 2000s, Aldi winch from around 2007 and Tigerz11 from 2009. Warn looks like it has never seen grease, Aldi had never been touched, Tigerz11 services twice due to faults occurring within the first 6 months which warranty was declined for BS reasons. The problem is, the Tigerz11 is marketed with the highest pulling capacity, the most sealed casing and said to be robust by their manufacturer/importer. However, looking at material quality, design and general engineering, one would rate the Tigerz11 as having the least capacity. I had the Tigerz braking on me when the Patrol was pretty stock, I ended up add rear bar, big storage system and a permanent payload of probably 300kg. The Warn has not failed at all, it's now on my mates car who has never heard of a snatch block pulling his Patrol up vertical cliffs (slightly exaggerated). If you want a cheap winch get an Aldi, Ridge Ryder, eBay winch if you want a better winch get a Warn. Middle market is a load of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisty Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Thanks heyhey. Good info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNR Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) heyhey what about these cheapish winches from warn? http://www.ebay.com....=item53ecdf3bae Edit: But then why would you when you could get one of these for $1500 brand new http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Warn-Winch-XD9000-Full-Warn-Warranty-Can-Ship-Aus-Wide-/290625141554?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43aa9bbb32 Edited May 24, 2012 by JNR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 To be honest I haven't even seen those cheap Warns. I'ld assume they are just as good as any Chinese branded winch. I'm looking as getting another winch for the rear of my ute and unless I can find a second hand Warn, I think I'll get one of the SuperCheap winches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNR Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Heaps of em on ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Rig Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Super cheap winches are half price this weekend I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Yeah they are like $300 buck or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGQWesty Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Were to?? And are they worth it?? It seams odd that locally there $1000+ and eBay is $300... Is it that there a no name brand, or is it the quality??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Were to?? And are they worth it?? It seams odd that locally there $1000+ and eBay is $300... Is it that there a no name brand, or is it the quality??? Were to what? Not sure what your getting at there matey. Its not suprising that something selling locally is $1000 and eBay is $300 (by the way, I ment SuperCheap has them for $300 not just eBay). The overheads Australian retailers need to account for more than triples prices on a lot of things. You just need to compare things that get made in China and sell in the US to compare how much we get ripped. So RedRyder winches (or what ever the brand is called), are pretty alright looking winches and are cheap and avaliable at SuperCheap Auto. Although I have not had a chance to pull one apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGQWesty Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Sorry, could I grab a link to these winches?? And you make a good point about overheads, but $700 less.. Something had to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhey Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 These Ridge Ryder winchs from Supercheap look the same as the older model Aldi winches http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Ridge-Ryder-9-500Lb-12V-4WD-Recovery-Winch.aspx?pid=219721#Description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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