Fuel manager

[brettly]

Just wondering if anyone has had any experiences with Terrain Tamer's Fuel Manager system with the optional water sensor. I'm currently in the process of fitting one to my CRD.

The unit is wired up, and I was trying to prove the sensor works before plumbing it into the fuel system. I did this by putting the tip of the sensor in some water to simulate water in the diesel filter. Nothing happened. Any ideas on how I can confirm the will work?

I know the unit is wired up correctly, as the dashboard warning light comes on for 2-5 seconds when starting the vehicle, as it should according to the manual.

Maybe I shouldn't be so paranoid

[The Big Rig]

When you work it out can put some photos up and if I can ask how much you paid for the kit

[brettly]

Yes can do some photos when it's finished.

I paid $350ish for the filter and water sensor. I also purchased some 90 degree hose fittings as they supply you with straight ones which were under $10.

[Evil!]

How does it distinguish the difference between whats water and whats diesel?

[brettly]

I believe water is conductive of electricity and diesel is not.

[brettly]

The filter is in. Tried again to get the sensor to operate to no avail. I just hope it will work when it has to.

Couple of pics...

Filter in place

Diagram of the components

[silver]

Brettly, good job mate, i'm in the process of doing the same thing and i to have the fuel manager to install, i have a couple of questions which u maybe able to answer for me.

1. Did u plumb urs in before or after the genuine filter ?? i ask as i have the system without the sensor, and the provider advised me to plumb it in after the gen filter, as the gen filter has the sensor built in, makes sense to me, ur thoughts.

2. Is the large fuel hose of the gen filter the hose to the pump, i havent had a good look yet, but my research tells me this is the case ?????

3. Have u had any dramas during the install and once u fired ur truck up ?????

Thanks in advance

Silver.

[Ray!]

The CRD already has a water sensor in the filter, that's why there's the electrical connection under the filter.

Cheers

Ray

[Nutta]

DOH!

The CRD already has a water sensor in the filter, that's why there's the electrical connection under the filter.

Cheers

Ray

DOH!

[silver]

The CRD already has a water sensor in the filter, that's why there's the electrical connection under the filter.

Cheers

Ray

Thanks for the input Ray, not quite what i was after but thanks again....!!!!!!!!

[Ray!]

Thanks for the input Ray, not quite what i was after but thanks again....!!!!!!!!

I was referring to the OP and simply pointing out that he is duplicating, in part, what already exists within the system (the water sensor). In reference to your questions, the important issue with additional fuel filters (water sensing or not) is whether you are introducing additional work for the fuel pump in moving fuel through the system. If not appropriately designed and engineered, you could cause more problems than you think you are fixing. I don't want to be a wet blanket here, but on reading the Terrain Tamer web site, little bells started to ring in my head (which isn't all that uncommon, but moreso since I haven't had a red wine for two weeks) and got louder:

The Terrain Tamer Fuel Manger consists of a 30 micron diesel pre-fuel filter designed to eliminate expensive engine damage by reducing fuel contaminants that could potentially cause blockages if allowed to pass through to the original 4 micron filter found in most common rail diesel engines.

A 4 micron filter will stop 30 micron lumps. That's what it's designed to do - to filter.

The Terrain Tamer Fuel Manager is easily fitted to any common rail engine as a primary filter to clean dirty fuel before it reaches the system components, and acts as an agglomerator, causing moisture to form droplets of water and collect into a Perspex drain bowl before it has the opportunity to become hazardous. The Perspex bowl allows the filter to function effectively while avoiding damage that can occur in glass by elements such as frost and stones.

That's what the factory filter is designed to do. Exactly what are these system components?

Manager Kit comes with all necessary parts, including an American made Barricade Fuel Injection Hose, which features a five layer Aramid fibre reinforcement and is designed to withstand prolonged use with all fuel blends, including aggressive mixtures such as bio-diesel and ethanol fuel.

Oh, a diesel compatible fuel hose.

I smell reptile oil.

Cheers

Ray

[Glort]

Even my "Historical" TD42 in my 88 Gq has a water water sensor.

What do these do Different?

[Nutta]

I had to add an extra fuel pump when i put in the additional ryco, whether it needed it or not im wondering these days.(the filter that is)

Edited May 23, 2012 by Nutta

[Glort]

I put in a CAV filter and tossed the original.

Elements don't last quite as long but at 1/4 the price, I'm ahead. Also easier to get from any car parts, truck, tractor or machinery place.

Water indicators are no good to me as unlike Diesel, veg WILL absorb water. As I use all my own fuel with the exception of half a tank of Dino in 2 years, I know what I'm putting in and that it is water free.

I put in a Walbro Pump because the OEM wouldn't keep up with the fuel demands of the Firebreathing, Tyre shredding NA 4.2.

Actually, being on oil, I think the fuel supply is only just even with the pump.

Manager Kit comes with all necessary parts, including an American made Barricade Fuel Injection Hose, which features a five layer Aramid fibre reinforcement and is designed to withstand prolonged use with all fuel blends, including aggressive mixtures such as bio-diesel and ethanol fuel.

I have yet to hear of any fuel hose that will stand up to B100 for more than 3 years. No matter how exy, most start weeping and go soft and sticky at around 2.

I just change out the less than one meter of soft hose every year. That lets me run the cheap stuff without any problems.

Edited May 24, 2012 by Glort

[brettly]

1. Did u plumb urs in before or after the genuine filter ?? i ask as i have the system without the sensor, and the provider advised me to plumb it in after the gen filter, as the gen filter has the sensor built in, makes sense to me, ur thoughts.

2. Is the large fuel hose of the gen filter the hose to the pump, i havent had a good look yet, but my research tells me this is the case ?????

3. Have u had any dramas during the install and once u fired ur truck up ?????

Silver,

I plumbed my fuel manager in before the genuine filter. I did this because it made sense to put the 30 micron filter before the 2/4 micron (whatever the genuine filter is).

On your genuine filter there should be two arrows. I believe these arrows indicate fuel in and fuel out.

Have I had any dramas... well initially upon starting her for the first time, she started first pop. I did fill the filter with diesel from a jerry can before starting, as well as giving the hand primer bulb quite a few squeezes. So no problems there. Now, after a couple of weeks of the filter being in the system, I have noticed on a couple of occassions the engine is harder to start. This is always cold start, first start of the day type thing.

I can attribute that to the filter making it harder for the fuel pump to pump the fuel to the commonrail, where it needs to reach a set pressure before it's allowed to fire. So there's signs that the fuel pump is working harder. As pointed out by Ray.

[Glort]

I found that after adding my Walbro my Historical engine with it's mechanical pump was easier to fire.

Sounds like the soloution for you too.

[silver]

Silver,

I plumbed my fuel manager in before the genuine filter. I did this because it made sense to put the 30 micron filter before the 2/4 micron (whatever the genuine filter is).

On your genuine filter there should be two arrows. I believe these arrows indicate fuel in and fuel out.

Have I had any dramas... well initially upon starting her for the first time, she started first pop. I did fill the filter with diesel from a jerry can before starting, as well as giving the hand primer bulb quite a few squeezes. So no problems there. Now, after a couple of weeks of the filter being in the system, I have noticed on a couple of occassions the engine is harder to start. This is always cold start, first start of the day type thing.

I can attribute that to the filter making it harder for the fuel pump to pump the fuel to the commonrail, where it needs to reach a set pressure before it's allowed to fire. So there's signs that the fuel pump is working harder. As pointed out by Ray.

Thanks heaps mate, more info to add to my research, i'm gunna do mine in the next week or so, will let u all know how it goes.

Again thanks

Silver

[brettly]

Yes Glort, something I will have to look into.

Look forward to hearing how you go Silver.