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Makes me wonder where Mr Hockey was when GST was (and still is) applied to fuel excise levy (another tax by another name) isn't that tax on tax? what a double faced looser and hypocrite. It is a pity that Hewson's model wasn't applied, we would be much better off today.

Oh well, when one has to choose between Labor dog turd or Liberal horse chit no wonder this country is what it is. :angry:

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There are some differences with that example and the carbon tax. The fuel excise, for example, was lowered when GST came into place and was also no longer indexed for inflation, but many groups still don't quite state the truth, a bit like the Howard claim that there will never be a GST. These excises existed when we had all the pre-GST taxes in place anyway, but the GST reduced the complexity of taxation considerably, but the states failed to reduce many taxes as they were supposed to do when the GST was introduced.

One major difference with the carbon tax is that it will now also hit food products that are currently exempt from GST, thus putting up the price of many fresh foods products, as if we need that.

I might also point out that the Greens are up to their usual let's help make Australian's lives even worse with this proposal:

http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/proposed-recycling-levy-to-add-300-to-shopping-bills/story-e6frfm9r-1226425813918

More taxes.

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Ray

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SA has had recycling scheme going on for years ;) This is another FUD from AFGC (Australia Food and Grocery Council) as being the industry mouth piece. Is it any surprise that a study paid for by them is supportive of their argument. :rolleyes: And how is it a tax? As usual unscrupulous ass holes are trying to take an advantage once again. Yes, they're certainly forcing me to collect the frigging containers and than returning them for cash exchange and yes I hate it with a passion :angry: but to call it a tax is misleading as I'm able to get the deposit back. Here I have a choice albeit uncomfortable one.

My head hurts from all these biased lies and misinformation. These swines are making billions from fleecing consumers and now they're feeling for the poor families because lousy 10-20 cents per container. Of course the Greens loopy idea that it should apply to every container is another matter.

Fuel excise levy no matter what level or indexation is still a tax so when GST is calculated on top of it it still a tax on tax! It s a rip off so if Joe Hockey is so concerned about that he should also question that one but of course he ain't gonna do that because it was his party which implemented/continued that rip off.

We are being screwed at every level no matter who is in the government. When the ALP dogs are confined to the garbage dump of history the Liberals will happily keep the Carbon tax going and introducing new taxes to go around this people should be ...... :(

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When the ALP dogs are confined to the garbage dump of history the Liberals will happily keep the Carbon tax going and introducing new taxes to go around this people should be ...... :(

Yep!

It will be the same old pathetic story....

" Oh, we didn't know they had made it so it can't be repealed" " We didn't know they had signed some agre2ement. " It's all their fault, as much as we want to be the good guys we can't because it's all their fault."

Same crock of chit every time there is a change of Gubermint.

Pigs arse they didn't know. They know perfectly well they are lying through their teeth but its not about anything but lining their own pockets and telling whatever filthy lies they have to in order to get what THEY want.

Politics is the biggest scam in the world. Y2k And globlal warming isn't a pi$$ in the sea compared to this crap.

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The Greens are heavily lobbying for the container deposit scheme to be introduced nationwide and the federal government supports it.

The Greens said the reason NT prices increased by 20c a bottle was because of profiteering by the beverage industry, and handling costs might even be as low as 1c to 3c.

The analysis by the economics and policy consultancy firm was commissioned by the Australian Food and Grocery Council, which is strongly opposed to the move.

How is it a tax? If the effective price of a product goes up, for whatever reason (especially an artificial increase), then so does the GST on that product. It's pretty simple really.

Why are the Greens lobbying for this? What will it actually achieve? And on exactly what basis do the Greens suggest that the handling costs might be as low as 1c-3c? What Green on this planet has any business experience?

Maybe people need to be reminded of this:

http://catallaxyfile...king-for-you-i/

and this:

http://catallaxyfile...ing-for-you-ii/

and this:

JohnHoward3.jpg

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Ray

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I don't, you do as you couldn't help it with a subtle hint that if Labor trash hasn't been elected then we would be better off which is a myth. Anyway he is a leader of this bunch of leeches in this case :angry:

Howard had a opportunity to use the surplus he reaped from taxing us blind to invest in Australia's benefit. Instead he left it "under the mattress" like an old scrooge he was so the Labor thieves could/would lay waste to it! As far as I'm concerned they are all the same trash be Labor, Liberal, Greens, Nationals whatever they called! They should all be burned at stakes, nothing like a good ole witch hunt.

Had the silly pensioner retired and handed over the reigns to Costello things would/might also be different.

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Yes, the Howard government left a $22 billion surplus and this: http://www.futurefund.gov.au/; but in a way you're correct, Howard should have realised that those who would come after him in the next election would be children that would piss the inheritance up against the wall. And they have done that in the most spectacular way.

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Ray

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People forget the taxes removed from imported electronics - Like TV's, stereos etc - whent he GST was introduced. I believe the tax was somewhere in the order of 20 or 30 %. Consumer electronics went down in price conciderably after the GST due to the removal of this tax. People only remember when things go up.

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People forget the taxes removed from imported electronics - Like TV's, stereos etc - whent he GST was introduced. I believe the tax was somewhere in the order of 20 or 30 %. Consumer electronics went down in price conciderably after the GST due to the removal of this tax. People only remember when things go up.

People also forget the old 20-30% sales tax was on the WHOLESALE price.

The GST is on the RETAIL price.

For most things the end result is the same. For a lot of things the tax is more, for very, very few things it's less.

The most electronics could have gone down was 5%. I think any decrease over that was just competition and lower production costs.

I remember when the GST was being talked about, I was one of the seemingly few people for it. I felt completely decieved when it did come in however because I never heard it mentioned that it would be on the retail not wholesale price. I never heard it mentioned it would be on previously tax free things like your bills, car rego etc and as I should have known then but realise now, Gubbermints and big biz never do anything unless it will make them more money.

I was either suckered, mislead or both completely and utterly I'm afraid to say.

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