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GPSTI

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I spent a bit of time over the weekend cleaning out all my posts. After reading this thread I just tried to log in and was presented with this little gem!

According to the mods I have "damaged" the knowledge base. Seems they think they own my contributions.

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Ray! Newbie

Ray!

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Wow! That's all kind of bizzare. I haven't posted anything there for a while, nor have I deleted anything, even though I've copied my DIYs across. I'm just watching to see how things go, but it looks like there's a big broom going through the forum.

Cheers

Ray

Glort Newbie

Glort

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I spent a bit of time over the weekend cleaning out all my posts. After reading this thread I just tried to log in and was presented with this little gem!

According to the mods I have "damaged" the knowledge base. Seems they think they own my contributions.

Pathetic isn't it?

They don't want you but they want your info.

I'm waiting to see if I get a reply to my question of why I was banned.

If I decide I don't want to be a part of the place any more I will request all my posts be deleted.

They are legally obligated to comply as the authour of my posts ( deemed literary work) I own the copyright not them and have what is known as right of refusal. This means I have absoloute power to say where the work can and cannot be published.

I'll bet my arse they will refuse to remove it ( of which spite could be the only possible explaination) which is fine because I can then make a complaint to my favourite gubbermint department who will take the case on for me as they did last time with the self same thing. There is NO charge to you or risk. It's the best legal deal ever. And, if they take it on they NEVER loose. It would be real funny to see the place taken off the air for copyright infringement after " all their hard work".

If anyone else also wants their posts removed, we could make a joint complaint.

admin Rookie

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Like I said in another topic, no point starting a war... there are no winners. Personally I disagree with your view. Its their site, they can do what they like. They have no obligation to you to keep your work online. It costs them money in hosting, time, technology, licenses etc... They can shut the site down tommorrow if they like or change it or start fresh etc etc.. There aint nothing you can do about it.

Glort Newbie

Glort

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They have no obligation to you to keep your work online. It costs them money in hosting, time, technology, licenses etc... They can shut the site down tommorrow if they like or change it or start fresh etc etc.. There aint nothing you can do about it.

Umm, I don't want them to keep it online, I may want them to take it OFFLINE.

IF they don't want me there, then they certainly wouldn't want my posts there would they?

admin Rookie

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Yeah, I understand that, what I was getting at is that they have no responsibility either way - They can remove you or keep you - They have no obligation to keep the comments and I would bet they have no obligation to remove them either. You posted them into a public forum at that point the control of those comments ceased to be in your control.

Thou, I suppose you could argue that its not a public forum, being that membership is required.

It sounds like you know a bit about patrols and have written a fair bit of technical info over there as you have done here. Im sure they have just banned us because prior to now, they had no control at all. They have it back now and need to release a bit of built up frustration. hehe.

Glort Newbie

Glort

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They have no obligation to keep the comments and I would bet they have no obligation to remove them either. You posted them into a public forum at that point the control of those comments ceased to be in your control.

That's not actually correct.

There are laws and statures which do cover this.

I have been throught the exercise before and HAVE consulted professionaly qualified people about it so on this one I can state the facts as they apply in law.

The fact the forum is public or otherwise is moot. The crux of the matter comes to the fact the work is published ( on the net counts as publishing) and as the creator of the work, I am the copyright owner. In the abcence of any signed document transfering that copyright ( so called terms or conditions of a site are also moot) I remain the copyright owner and have right of veto to it being published even if I don't own the work per se.

Owning a work ( be it literary, a photo, a sculpture etc) is different to being the COPYRIGHT owner.

It's exactly the same as owning a Music CD or a movie DVD. You own the Disk but you don't own the copyright hence you cannot reproduce and legally sell more copies of it.

And just to clarify, I would not be looking to start a war. I would merely be asking for my posts to be removed from the site. Should they respect that wish and legal right, and take them down, then that's the end of it. I'm happy and we can all go on our way with no more time or thought being expended on the matter.

As for winners or losers, well I have nothing to win and certainly nothing to loose. OTOH, the same can't be said for those on the other side of the fence.

I can't remember how much technical stuff I wrote there but I know I talked a lot of chit.

As such I can't see why they wouldn't be happy to purge me from their site especially given I don't follow the party line which seems to upset so many there.

If I did wish to remove myself from the site, I would hope that some one in charge would do the right thing moraly and legaly and that would be the end of it. I would also bet it takes no more or even less time and effort to do that than to ban someone for a month.

BTW, how come my spell check dosen't work on the posts I write here?

GPSTI Newbie

GPSTI

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Yeah, I understand that, what I was getting at is that they have no responsibility either way - They can remove you or keep you - They have no obligation to keep the comments and I would bet they have no obligation to remove them either. You posted them into a public forum at that point the control of those comments ceased to be in your control.

Thou, I suppose you could argue that its not a public forum, being that membership is required.

It sounds like you know a bit about patrols and have written a fair bit of technical info over there as you have done here. Im sure they have just banned us because prior to now, they had no control at all. They have it back now and need to release a bit of built up frustration. hehe.

The comments remain in the control of the user who posted them, as evidenced by the fact that there is an option to edit or delete a post, and the option is there to delete threads started by the user (including any replies by others).

Thus, by providing the forum tools to take these actions, the forum agrees that the user can make use of those facilities.

You are right, the terms of joining the forum allow the owner/admins the right to ban without explanation, after which, of course, you can't get on to remove your posts.

After they discovered that I had removed all my stuff (they must get a report of these actions otherwise how would they have known) that has probably resulted in them banning everyone who has said an unkind word in the last 3 months of virus attacks and other b/s, in case they do the same.

I don't understand what you mean about starting a "war". What has happened over there has happened, and there appear to be some hysterical reactions by their admin. A bit like grabbing all the marbles and running home to mum, saying I won't play with you lot again. Who loses?

Glort Newbie

Glort

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What has happened over there has happened, and there appear to be some hysterical reactions by their admin. A bit like grabbing all the marbles and running home to mum, saying I won't play with you lot again.

Exactly what I made of Jets recent posts.

One minute he's like a kid throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his own way and the other kids aren't all saying nice things to him he wants to hear so he's taking his bat and ball and going home with the sooks. The next minute mummy comes along and he gets his own way and what he wanted so everything is fine again.

Now that mummy put him in charge of the sand pit again, he's taking out his revenge on all the kids who he didn't like what they said to him.

No one can argue that isn't just plain immature and childish.

If anyone else did that, they would have copped heaps for it not have sunshine blown up their backsides not be crawled and sucked up to.

Certainly lost me a lot of respect for the guy no matter what he has done behind the scenes and for the forum in general.

Glort Newbie

Glort

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So is mine but I hardly think that was the point.

At least it WAS a temporary ban, I expect that well may change with the less than glowing comments I have made here. Such is life.

If it does, then that will just confirm it's not a place I want to be a part of.

admin Rookie

admin

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To be honest I was surprised they didnt ban me earlier.. under normal circumstances it would be bad form to try and poach users, but I dont think what I did was normal circumstances.. Their site was failing with even the admins admitting they had no contact with the owner and had been locked out, so I figured it was fair game.

You on the otherhand didnt start a competing forum, but sometimes it did seem like you worked for this place :-P

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